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    <title>Q&amp;A with Doug Engelbart: July 12, 2001</title>
    <dateCreated>Fri Aug 24 19:29:11 2001 GMT</dateCreated>
    <ownerName>Eugene Eric Kim</ownerName>
    <ownerEmail>eekim@eekim.com</ownerEmail>
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    <outline type="Issue" nid="2099" text="What is a DKR?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="2103" text="Special knowledge collection">
            <outline type="MapView" nid="3231" text="DKR attributes?">
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="2386" detail="We want to make it explicit." text="Implicit DKR in any design process">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="2107" text="Supports Collective IQ of the group">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Issue" nid="2374" text="How does one build a DKR?">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2403" text="Technology and social process">
                <outline type="Issue" nid="2411" text="What are the social processes?">
                </outline>
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Issue" nid="2624" text="What do we need to capture in a DKR?">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2667" text="Capture convergence and divergence">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2632" detail="Capture strong disagreements." text="Capture state and disagreement">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Issue" nid="2646" text="What are requirements to do these?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="2650" text="Evolution of type system">
                </outline>
            </outline>
            <outline type="Issue" nid="3122" text="Tools that do these?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="2641" text="IBIS">
                </outline>
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Issue" nid="2257" text="Biggest challenges?">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2774" detail="Require a lot more people than can sit in a room." text="Problems are large scale">
                <outline type="Issue" nid="2780" text="How do you get an environment so you can get evolution?">
                </outline>
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2673" text="Getting an evolutionary process">
                <outline type="Pro" nid="2747" text="Tim Berners-Lee vs Ted Nelson">
                </outline>
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2265" text="Creating the handbook -- CoDIAK">
                <outline type="Issue" nid="2274" text="What is CoDIAK?">
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="2516" text="There are other capabilities besides CoDIAK">
                    </outline>
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="2283" text="Core set of concurrent knowledge capabilities needed to do the DKR">
                        <outline type="Idea" nid="2318" text="Application">
                        </outline>
                        <outline type="Idea" nid="2307" text="Integration">
                        </outline>
                        <outline type="Idea" nid="2302" text="Development">
                            <outline type="Issue" nid="2342" text="Not software development?">
                                <outline type="Idea" nid="2348" text="Nature of description of design part of that knowledge">
                                </outline>
                            </outline>
                        </outline>
                        <outline type="Issue" nid="2758" text="What part is human?">
                            <outline type="Idea" nid="2769" text="Part of challenge is finding the right mix.">
                            </outline>
                            <outline type="Idea" nid="2763" text="How much is computerized almost irrelevant">
                            </outline>
                        </outline>
                        <outline type="Issue" nid="2355" text="What is &quot;do&quot;?">
                            <outline type="Idea" nid="2368" text="Maintenance">
                            </outline>
                            <outline type="Idea" nid="2364" text="Creation">
                            </outline>
                        </outline>
                    </outline>
                </outline>
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2593" text="Concurrency">
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Issue" nid="2419" text="What tools do we have at our disposal?">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2598" detail="Murray sent description of this to ohs-dev last week.  Seems to have the structure needed to create DKR.  Almost point-for-point everything that Lee wants to do in NODAL.  Not open source, but architecture is." text="Eliot Kimber's project">
                <outline type="Pro" nid="3177" text="Open architecture">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Pro" nid="3163" text="Almost point-for-point what Lee wants with NODAL">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Pro" nid="3157" text="Seems to have structure needed for DKR">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Con" nid="3168" text="Closed source">
                </outline>
            </outline>
        </outline>
    </outline>
    <outline type="Issue" nid="2678" text="Problems with existing computer-supported communication?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="2709" detail="Notion introduced by Conklin at workshop." text="Need &quot;collaborative literacy&quot; for this to work">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="2684" text="Conflicts rarely get resolved">
            <outline type="Con" nid="2689" detail="First step for resolving conflict." text="IBIS identifies agreements and disagreements">
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Issue" nid="2699" text="Can Robert's Rules help?">
        </outline>
    </outline>
    <outline type="Issue" nid="2716" text="Do we want computers to mediate arguments?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="2720" detail="Doug prefers &quot;computer supported&quot;" text="If we can end up doing that, that's fine.">
        </outline>
    </outline>
    <outline type="Issue" nid="2727" text="Challenges with mediated dialog?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="2731" detail="Annoying people who can't collaborate and you can't get rid of them." text="Variance in personalities">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="2736" text="Variance in computer literacy">
        </outline>
    </outline>
    <outline type="Issue" nid="3202" text="What tools are under development?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3220" text="Hyperscope">
            <outline type="Issue" nid="2790" text="What is the Hyperscope?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="2794" text="&lt;BI,2120> describes basic functionality">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Issue" nid="2885" text="Capabilities?">
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="2890" text="Granular addressability">
                    </outline>
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="2902" detail="Translated legacy files to intermediate structures." text="Legacy files">
                    </outline>
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="2895" text="Revision control">
                    </outline>
                </outline>
                <outline type="Issue" nid="2818" text="Features?">
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="2834" text="Intermediate file structure">
                    </outline>
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="2829" text="Browser">
                    </outline>
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="2823" text="Link database">
                    </outline>
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="2839" detail="Edited documents won't go back to legacy tools.  Evolves you to OHS documents." text="Editor (eventually)">
                    </outline>
                </outline>
                <outline type="Issue" nid="2805" text="Purpose?">
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="2810" text="Provide some OHS capabilities for legacy files">
                    </outline>
                </outline>
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3194" text="NODAL">
            <outline type="Issue" nid="2614" text="Is NODAL implementation of DKR?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="2618" text="No.  Architecture needed to build DKR.">
                </outline>
            </outline>
            <outline type="Issue" nid="2853" text="What is NODAL?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="2857" text="Lee's candidate implementation for lot of core Hyperscope principles">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Idea" nid="2864" text="Structures candidate for intermediate file structures">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Idea" nid="2870" text="Support for legacy files">
                </outline>
            </outline>
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