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    <title>Q&amp;A with Doug Engelbart: July 26, 2001</title>
    <dateCreated>Fri Aug 24 19:29:20 2001 GMT</dateCreated>
    <ownerName>Eugene Eric Kim</ownerName>
    <ownerEmail>eekim@eekim.com</ownerEmail>
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    <outline type="Issue" nid="3968" text="Why purple for addressable numbers?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3983" text="Frode Heglund suggested making them links">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3978" text="They wanted it to stay out">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3973" text="Christina and Bob Czech">
        </outline>
    </outline>
    <outline type="Issue" nid="3533" text="What should we do to induce revolution in computers?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3658" detail="Eating your own dog food.  Don't tell me what you do, show me." text="Bootstrapping">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3884" text="ABC Model">
                <outline type="Issue" nid="3889" text="What is it?">
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="3905" text="C activity">
                        <outline type="Pro" nid="3916" text="Greater return on investment here than A or B activities">
                        </outline>
                        <outline type="Idea" nid="3910" text="Improving the improvement process">
                            <outline type="Issue" nid="3948" text="Communities doing this?">
                                <outline type="Idea" nid="3954" text="NICs">
                                    <outline type="Idea" nid="3961" text="Using DKRs to do C activity">
                                    </outline>
                                </outline>
                            </outline>
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                    </outline>
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="3900" text="B activity">
                        <outline type="Idea" nid="3927" text="Improving ability to achieve that goal">
                        </outline>
                    </outline>
                    <outline type="Idea" nid="3894" text="A activity">
                        <outline type="Idea" nid="3922" text="The goal">
                        </outline>
                    </outline>
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        <outline type="Idea" nid="3560" detail="Computers will have radical impact.  No one will be able to design for this." text="Must get an idea of scale of challenge">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3613" text="Capture and measure collective IQ">
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3618" text="Seems to always come up in organizations">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3652" text="Highest priority">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Issue" nid="3635" text="What are the existing metrics?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3646" detail="GNP, educational stats, crime rate." text="Societal metrics">
                    <outline type="Con" nid="3665" text="Not enough">
                    </outline>
                </outline>
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3641" text="Football teams">
                </outline>
            </outline>
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        <outline type="Idea" nid="3608" detail="Evolution of utilization as well." text="Proactive user communities">
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3753" text="Not enough to depend on tech viewpoint">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3628" detail="Compete and interoperate." text="Coopetition">
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Issue" nid="3572" text="What is OHS's role?">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3596" text="Hyperscope is first step">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3577" text="Just an evolutionary starting point">
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Issue" nid="3538" text="Who must change and when?">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3543" text="Coevolution">
                <outline type="Con" nid="3553" text="Chicken and egg problem">
                </outline>
            </outline>
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    <outline type="Issue" nid="3718" text="Should linking or addressability be top-level?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3728" text="Very intertwined">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3723" text="Addressability is king">
        </outline>
    </outline>
    <outline type="Issue" nid="3933" text="How do we get disparate OHS communities cooperating?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3942" text="Need to keep an eye on what's actually happening">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3937" text="C level community">
        </outline>
    </outline>
    <outline type="Issue" nid="3791" text="Big challenges?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3800" text="Inducing coevolution">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3795" text="Integration">
        </outline>
    </outline>
    <outline type="Issue" nid="3502" text="How does Doug feel about how computers are used?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3507" text="Wants to capitalize on opportunity for coevolution">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3512" detail="People always saying, &quot;We're here.  Relax.&quot;  We're not here.  Status quo is evolution; what Doug is talking about is a revolution." text="Not taking advantage of how much we can get from it">
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3524" detail="Web is evolution from gopher." text="Status quo is evolution, not revolution">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Issue" nid="3583" text="Examples?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3588" detail="Entire history and literature is locked into Microsoft format." text="Tibetan reliance on Microsoft">
                </outline>
            </outline>
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    <outline type="Issue" nid="3767" text="How do we deal with insistence on proprietary formats?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3776" text="Market pressure">
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3781" text="Supporterd HTML because of Web's popularity">
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3771" text="Persuade them to play with us">
        </outline>
    </outline>
    <outline type="Issue" nid="2790" text="What is the Hyperscope?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3470" text="Evolvability is vital">
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3495" detail="Driving cars." text="Humans are capable of evolving">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Issue" nid="3475" text="How does evolution happen?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3483" text="Must be induced by people">
                    <outline type="Pro" nid="3489" detail="Created an incredibly sophisticated system, but nobody would use it, because they didn't understand it." text="Eliot Kimber's system">
                    </outline>
                </outline>
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="2794" text="&lt;BI,2120> describes basic functionality">
        </outline>
        <outline type="Issue" nid="2805" text="Purpose?">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2810" text="Provide some OHS capabilities for legacy files">
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Issue" nid="2818" text="Features?">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3807" text="Adapt to ability of the user">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2839" detail="Edited documents won't go back to legacy tools.  Evolves you to OHS documents." text="Editor (eventually)">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2823" text="Link database">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2829" text="Browser">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2834" text="Intermediate file structure">
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Issue" nid="2885" text="Capabilities?">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3762" text="Interoperability between all file types">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3740" text="Typed links">
                <outline type="Pro" nid="3745" detail="Unfortunately, W3 XHTML working group not currently going in this direction." text="Important linking feature">
                </outline>
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3734" detail="User interface." text="Moving around data">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3713" text="Linking">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2902" detail="Translated legacy files to intermediate structures." text="Legacy files">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2895" text="Revision control">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="2890" text="Granular addressability">
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        <outline type="Issue" nid="3327" text="How do you manipulate views?">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3357" text="How you want to look at some knowledge">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3331" detail="One character commands for changing views." text="Augment view control">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Issue" nid="3450" text="Why is this important?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3444" detail="We've been conditioned to static displays.  This isn't taking advantage of how we can and want to view knowledge." text="Dynamic information display">
                    <outline type="Issue" nid="3460" text="Examples?">
                        <outline type="Idea" nid="3465" text="Status quo for literature">
                        </outline>
                    </outline>
                </outline>
            </outline>
            <outline type="Issue" nid="3381" text="Examples?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3436" text="Audio">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3428" text="Textual">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3385" detail="Too large to view all at once.  View control is vital." text="Murray working on zoological topic map">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3424" text="Graphical">
                </outline>
            </outline>
            <outline type="Issue" nid="3374" text="What is the range of things you can manipulate?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3415" text="Transformations">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3410" text="Presentation">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3342" text="Querying">
                    <outline type="Con" nid="3351" text="Doug doesn't distinguish this from presentation">
                    </outline>
                </outline>
            </outline>
            <outline type="Issue" nid="3363" text="How to partition this functionality between client and server?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3368" detail="How to control views is an implementation issue." text="Implementation issue">
                </outline>
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3394" text="Functionality will evolve based on user needs.">
                </outline>
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    <outline type="Issue" nid="3812" text="How do we train teams?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3854" text="Target people in schools">
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3872" text="Must get OHS into schools">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3865" text="Mantra these days in high school is life-long learning">
            </outline>
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        <outline type="Idea" nid="3821" text="Play">
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3838" detail="MUD." text="Should use this as a method for teaching people to use OHS">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3833" text="Typing games">
            </outline>
            <outline type="Pro" nid="3826" text="Sheldon's experience at Citibank">
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3816" text="Contests">
        </outline>
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    <outline type="Issue" nid="3676" text="What do we need to measure about collective IQ?">
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3703" text="Not good enough now to measure this">
            <outline type="Idea" nid="3877" detail="If Everest is the peak of where we can get, then we're about 2,500 feet right now." text="Everest analogy">
            </outline>
        </outline>
        <outline type="Idea" nid="3681" text="How well you're dealing with collective problems">
            <outline type="Issue" nid="3686" text="How do we measure this?">
                <outline type="Idea" nid="3697" detail="As we get better at dealing with complex problems, we'll be better at dealing with this." text="A complex problem">
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                <outline type="Idea" nid="3691" text="Must evolve">
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